Nominations Queries Post 3

[worldbuildingmod]

Tag set | REVISED countdown to close of noms

With a little under a day to go until nominations close, I have (finally!) managed to wrestle the nominations down to just those requiring further attention. That means that if your tags have not been approved yet, and don't appear listed below, then please do ask as it may mean something untoward has occurred. (Exception: if you nominated extremely recently, please wait a little while. I will edit this post if I come across further issues as I work through new tags.)

Since this will be the last queries post, in most cases I will specify what I intend to do if I don't hear anything to the contrary; I will also keep this post updated until nominations close as the final tags come in. (I would guess that if necessary updates will happen at very approximately 0800 UTC, 1300 UTC and 1630 UTC. If you are nominating close to the wire and think your tags may be confusing, please be proactive in providing evidence.)

ETA: new queries since original posting

• Heartstrikers & DFZ - Rachel Aaron - The Final Future (Heartstrikers & DFZ) I'm 99% sure this is a worldbuilding tag that's missing its "WB: " so will add that at close at noms if I don't hear back, but just in case: if that is the name of a character, please let me know.
  
• Star Trek - the tags below have been approved under the umbrella fandom; however, the original nominator for that fandom has requested to have their tags folded into "Star Trek: The Original Series" - is it OK to move these tags at the same time?
  
  
  
  • WB: Kahs-wan (Star Trek)
    
  • WB: Koon-ut-kal-if-fee (Star Trek)
    
  • WB: Mind Melds (Star Trek)
    
  • WB: Pon Farr (Star Trek)
    
  • WB: Telepathy and the Legal System (Star Trek)
    

[original post resumes below]

Actions taken after last post

At the request of the original nominator, Men in Black (Movies) has moved to Men in Black (Original Trilogy); if anyone out there did want a more expansive MiB fandom in the tag set, please nominate it.

Original Works

There are two nomination slates' worth of tags still in the main Original Work fandom - when noms close, I will redistribute these to separate subfandoms according to my best guesses (including possibly creating some new subfandoms like "Original Work - Superheroes") unless the nominators beat me to it ...

After considerable research and thought, I have now definitely come to the conclusion that Original Work - Low Fantasy is not guaranteed to be universally understood as meaning the same thing by everyone; in particular, I am worried that people who did not participate in the nominations process may later sign up and request/offer it with quite a different idea in mind. My interpretation of the earlier discussions is that the current nominators intend it to mean "real world setting with some fantastic elements" - I will probably rename it to this (very clunky) tag with some sort of hideous abbreviated disambiguations, unless a) someone comes up with a better suggestion for an unambiguous name, or b) the nominators adjust it themselves to an unambiguous tag of their choosing. (Doesn't necessarily have to be the same tag for each nominator!) Following my further investigations, I'm also not 100% convinced that Original Work - Magical Realism, which I encouraged one nominator to go for if they felt it was appropriate, has a universally-understood meaning either, especially when its definition within literary fiction is considered. So I think that may need to be changed as well, sorry.

Fandoms at risk of being rejected when nominations close

NB you do not have to be the original nominator to rescue these fandoms! If you have spare slots you can add the tags required. (ETA: many thanks to those who are doing this ...)

Fandoms without the two "default" character tags ("Any or No Characters" and "Original Character(s)"):

• Deadly Class (TV)
  
• Frontier Wolf - Rosemary Sutcliff
  
• IT (Movies - Muschetti) [see also "specific queries" below]
  
• Mass Effect: Andromeda
  
• Original Work - Fantasy/Sci-Fi [still waiting to be approved as I need to work out how to make the disambiguations consistent]
  
• Silicon Valley (TV) [see also "specific queries" below]
  
• Star Trek: Voyager
  
• Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
  
• Veep (TV) [see also "specific queries" below]
  

And one fandom has character tags but no worldbuilding tags:

• The Sixth World - Rebecca Roanhorse
  

If the intention here is to request any and all worldbuilding, I'm afraid we do need at least one tag to match on; this could be very broadly defined (though not quite as broad as "any worldbuilding"!).

Specific queries (alphabetical by fandom)

• The Godwhale (TJ Bass) - the tags contain both Nebishes and WB: Nebbish culture and society - which spelling is correct? Also, is "Nebishes" a group nom that would be better as "Original Neb[b?]ish Character(s)"? Finally, since this seems to be a book when I approve this I will be changing the fandom name to "The Godwhale - T. J. Bass" in line with AO3 style for Books & Literature fandoms. [this fandom is now waiting to bubble up to the top of the Already Approved list, I will get to approving the tags under it when it appears]
  
• 镇魂 | Guardian (TV) - I've approved all of the following four tags but looking at them, I suspect that they're actually effectively duplicates:
  
  
  
  • Shen Wei (镇魂 | Guardian (TV))
    
  • Shěn Wēi (镇魂 | Guardian (TV))
    
  • Yè Zūn (镇魂 | Guardian (TV))
    
  • Ye Zun (镇魂 | Guardian (TV))
    
  
  (each tag listed above was nominated twice). Please can someone clarify? (Three other characters are nommed as Da Qing, Li Qian and Zhao Yunlan, so advice on consistency also appreciated.) [resolved, will be dealt with at clean up stage]
  
• Haitaka no Psychedelica & Kokuchou no Psychedelica (Visual Novels) - I changed the two slightly nonstandard tags under this to "Any or No" and "Original" with the (Haitaka no Psychedelia) dismabiguation that other nominated tags had; however, I do wonder if the intent of the original nomination was to create two subfandoms within a larger umbrella. If this is desired, please let me know and we can see about splitting it into two different fandoms in the tag set, which would be the better way to handle that.
  
• Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling - I intend to move the tags nominated under this tag to "Harry Potter - Books 1-7" unless the nominator instructs me otherwise, or moves them themselves.
  
• The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien - I have approved the tags under this, except for the two group nominations highlighted in the previous post, which have now been rejected.
  
• Infinity Train (Cartoon) - I have approved the tags for this, except "Any Reflection(s)" which was highlighted in the previous post and has now been rejected
  
• IT (Movies - Muschetti) - "The Losers Club" seems to be a group tag; I will approve the rest without this, assuming that the missing tags appear (see list above)
  
• Power Rangers and Power Rangers (TV) - just checking my understanding of scope here. I am assuming that "Power Rangers" is everything that has ever been put out under the Power Rangers imprimatur, while "Power Rangers (TV)" is (slightly more) restricted to be the twenty-something series there have been by now. If this is not the intent, please let me know.
  
• Silicon Valley (TV) and Veep (TV) - in addition to the issues of missing character tags, at least some of the nominated worldbuilding tags for these look like AU "what if?" prompts, which are not within the scope of this exchange. Please could the nominator clarify? If there are no valid worldbuilding tags at close of noms, these fandoms will be rejected. (Without further input, I freely admit that I will be guessing based off wiki-diving as I don't know either of these fandoms.)
  
• A Song of Ice and Fire - George R. R. Martin - I've approved all tags except WB: Women Who Don't Marry By Choice (ASOIAF), which I'm slightly worried could be interpreted in two diametrically opposed ways - is the intention "Women who choose not to marry" or "Women who have no choice about getting married"?
  

Thanks very much for your patience during the nominations process, and to everyone who has responded either by providing further information or adjusting their nominations.

Comments

[sheliak]

Tossing out some replacement names for the Low Fantasy category:

Our World Plus Magic
Real World With Magic
Earth Low Fantasy
Primary World Fantasy
Historic Fantasy

[silverr]

To me, low fantasy could mean

- "grimdark" (e.g. ASoIaF)
- Pratchett-esque humorous fantasy
- "Urban" fantasy (which would map to Sheliak's "Our World plus Magic" above): in this latter case, there might be some overlap with magical realism.

[athaia]

"Fantasy" always implies a secondary world to me. Magic/magical creatures in what is supposed to be our world (i.e., the primary world) falls under "Paranormal/Supernatural [romance, thriller, mystery, etc.]" or "Magical realism" in my book (I admit I might be the only one with said book).

"Low Fantasy" for me is "opposite of what Tolkien did," and since Tolkien had intended to write some kind of epos (like Beowulf), the combination of "magic+chivalric adventure" is what defines High Fantasy for me. I happen to think that the amount of chivalric tropes defines the "level" of fantasy, not necessarily the amount of magic (though the amount of magic must be >0).

[(Anonymous)]

Re Guardian: Yes, those are duplicates. The versions with the tone marks are canonical on AO3, but I suspect participants will be happier if you keep the ones without, which would also be more consistent.

[worldbuildingmod]

Thanks!

[wafflelate]

In Dreaming of Sunshine there are two duplicate tags:

WB: Sealing Arts
WB: Fuuinjutsu | Sealing

I think the second one is the AO3 canonical but the first one is the one used in the Naruto fandom. IMO both are clear and mean the same thing.

EDIT: Also, "Sai (DoS)" and "Hatake Kakashi (DoS)" are showing up under both Naruto and Dreaming of Sunshine

[worldbuildingmod]

I'll fold those tags into each other during the clean up phase; thanks for the heads up.

(I'll also be dealing with migrating tags then, so thanks for pointing those out. I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been even more migration between those particular two.)

Re: The Godwhale

[(Anonymous)]

"Nebish" is the correct spelling. I will add "Original Nebish Characters".

It is a book.

Re: The Godwhale

[worldbuildingmod]

Great, thanks!

'low' fantasy

[(Anonymous)]

The way that you've described low fantasy here sounds exactly like Urban Fantasy, though that is quite a defined genre, so if the nominator isn't using that then maybe there is a reason? If they don't respond though, I would recommend amending that tag to urban fantasy

Re: 'low' fantasy

[worldbuildingmod]

If I'm remembering the previous discussion correctly, some nominators felt that "urban" restricted things to a city setting when they were looking for something broader, including possibly historical settings.

[quillori]

I am not sure what the best way is to nominate one of my Original Work requests - the one that used to go under Original Work, with a tag WB: Planetary cultures (Original Work - Pulp SF).

This year, I could nominate it under Original Work - Pulp SF, and then the tag WB: Planetary cultures (Original Work - Pulp SF), which is what I have done at present, or, perhaps more neatly, fold it in under Original Work - SF (if such a fandom exists - I don't see it in the tagset, and you don't mention it), with a tag along the lines of Pulp SF planetary cultures (Original Work - SF). Or is there some other original work fandom you'd like me to put it under?

[worldbuildingmod]

No one's nominated a straight SF tag yet that I've seen. I think for your purposes a more specific "Original Work - Pulp SF" is the way to go, so I would leave it as is.

[beatrice_otter]

Looking at the other Star Trek stuff nominated, you can probably merge my Star Trek category with Star Trek Original Series if you want. I don't need it to be separate for the requests I plan to make.

[worldbuildingmod]

Just double checking: those are the Vulcan-related noms?

I probably won't get to it until after nominations close, but I'll put it on my to do list for the clean up period.

[rivulet027]

I nominated it as Power Rangers and put it in the TV section, but there is also a movie and comic books. There are also so many different seasons of the TV show it seemed easier to make it one tag, though I did notice there was a separate Power Rangers R.P.M. tag. There are about twenty seasons at this point and some crossover and some are in the same universe and some are in a different universe, but they have ways to travel between those universes. Under the Power Rangers tag I nominated a character from Power Rangers Beast Morphers, two characters from Power Rangers S.P.D, and two characters from Power Rangers Time Force.

[worldbuildingmod]

Are you happy to leave things as is, or would you prefer to fold your "Power Rangers" noms into "Power Rangers (TV)"? (I'm particularly wondering about the status of the 2017 film, for what it's worth.)

Rescue Fandoms

[(Anonymous)]

I just used my last slot to add "Original Character(s)" and "Any or No Characters" to Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.

Re: Rescue Fandoms

[worldbuildingmod]

Thanks!

Hainish Cycle

[(Anonymous)]

Thick Planning is mentioned in "Fisherman of the Inland Sea"; it's something along the lines of sustainable planning, or planning for the seventh generation.

Re: Hainish Cycle

[worldbuildingmod]

Thanks for clarifying!

[facethestrange]

I'm the nominator of the ASOIAF tag, and now that you pointed it out I can totally see the confusion! I meant the "Women who choose not to marry" interpretation, and I just edited my nomination replacing it with this wording. I hope me doing it myself makes it easier for you. :)

[worldbuildingmod]

It does, thank you!

[shadaras]

I just want to make sure you're aware of some duplicate tags in "Star Wars - New EU":

Padmé Amidala (Star Wars - New EU)
Padmé Amidala (SW New EU)

and

Hera Syndulla (Star Wars - New EU)
Hera Syndulla (Star Wars New EU)

and

Sabine Wren (Star Wars - New EU)
Sabine Wren (Star Wars New EU)

[worldbuildingmod]

I think that's the one fandom where consistency of disambiguations really got away from me ... I'll add those to the clean up list, thank you.

[sheliak]

The Final Future is a character, not a worldbuilding tag.

[worldbuildingmod]

Thanks!

[sheliak]

This is purely my mistake and I am so sorry.

✔ Original Dakti Not Controlled By Progenitor (Raksura)

is under Star Trek: Rihannsu. It belongs to Books of the Raksura, and I must have input it in the wrong field. I'm so embarrassed!

[worldbuildingmod]

I should have noticed the inconsistent disambiguation apparently "R_____[vowel]" is similar enough to confuse me.

I'll add it to the clean up list.

clarifying noms

[(Anonymous)]

Hey! I've just nominated a couple things, and I thought I'd clear them up since it's right at the end of the nominations period:
I nommed "Valdemar Series – Mercedes Lackey – 750-900 AF", which is referring to a particular point in Valdemar's history as that's what I'm most interested in. If this is unacceptable it could be synned to the canonical tag (which is "Valdemar Series - Mercedes Lackey") since the other tags I've nominated make my interests fairly clear.
I also nominated "WB: spies & spy networks & spycraft (Tortall)", "WB: spies & spy networks & spycraft (Valdemar – 750-900 AF)", and "WB: spies & spy networks & spycraft (OW - F/SF)". If these are too broad, I'd be fine with them being reduced to "WB: spy networks & spycraft ([fandom])" or, if that's still too broad, just "WB: spy networks ([fandom])".

-Elsin

Re: clarifying noms

[worldbuildingmod]

All of those are fine, both in terms of the specific period for Valdemar (though it will make your tag appear in "Uncategorized Fandoms", as that won't be an AO3 canonical) and the breadth of the WB tags. I'll approve them when I get a chance.