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Final queries post

Please use this post only for responses to these specific queries.


For anything else, please use the previous post
or the clean up post (coming on Thursday).


Thank you to everyone who has nominated; the tag set is now approaching the final stages of being ready for sign ups. This is the final queries post; as such, as well as explaining my remaining queries, I will indicate the actions I intend to take if I don't get responses before I proceed to the final clean up stages. I will leave things until 0700 UTC on Thursday 13th (countdown) before taking action without hearing from the nominator; however, things will run more smoothly if I'm not dealing with all of these at that point, so please do reply even if it's to indicate that my proposed action is fine.

How to link to your nominations

In a few cases below, I indicate that it would be helpful for nominators to link me to their nominations page (and in general it is never unhelpful). Only I as the mod and you as the account holder have access to this page, and it does not allow me to identify you by username, only see that one nomination slate for the WBEx 2022 tag set. You can find it by clicking on "My Nominations" at the top of the tag set, which will lead you to a page with a URL in the format "https://archiveofourown.org/tag_sets/9319/nominations/XXXXXX" where XXXXXX is a string of numbers - it is this URL which I will need.

Specific queries )

Finally

At this point, to the best of my knowledge and belief all tags that I have not mentioned above have either been approved or (very rarely) rejected. If you think your tags have been approved but they appear to have since disappeared from the tag set completely please let me know, ideally also with a link to your nominations page so I can reconstruct them if necessary. (On one occasion out of hundreds AO3 did give me an unusual error message that might just have resulted in some tags disappearing, though I suspect it was just the result of accidentally double clicking and so the tags will have gone through the first time.) Having said that, please do check the "Unassociated Characters and Relationships" section at the very bottom for any tags that appear to be missing; there are a number of tags in there which did not get automatically associated and which I will be rescuing as part of general clean up later on - they are not a concern, only tags that cannot be found anywhere.
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Nominations closed

The tag set is now closed for nominations. Thanks to everyone who nominated; there's a huge range of interesting-looking tags.

In terms of next steps, I'm aiming to finish processing the tags submitted over the last few days by the end of Tuesday (I made some inroads on Sunday but new submissions were coming in as fast as I could approve). That will enable me to get up a final queries post, give people 24 hours (i.e. the whole of Wednesday) to respond to it, and then leave Thursday clear for processing those queries and other final clean up and preparation for opening sign ups at 0755 UTC on Friday.

Please note that with a lot of tags still to approve, the tag set is still a long way from its final form and so I won't be looking at errors etc. until much later; if you spot any, do feel free to note them here, but I won't be in a position to do anything about them until Thursday.
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Reminders re: how to nominate

I won't be in a position to do another queries post until some time after nominations have closed, but I did want to flag up that on working through some more approvals just now I have spotted a few fandoms which have actual A/B-type relationship tags instead of worldbuilding tags in the "Relationship" field. In worldbuildingex, we (ab)use this field to allow fandom-specific worldbuilding tags, which should be prefixed "WB:". So far, I've seen Nuclear Throne (Video Game) and Sen no Kiseki | The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel Series (Video Games), but I suspect there are others (AO3 only shows me a random selection of nominations each time I refresh).

I should add that I can also see a fairly large number of fandoms which are missing their "Any or No Characters" and "Original Character(s)" tags; they will not be approved without them.

The vast majority of participants have been formatting their nominations in line with the requirements (which I freely admit are extremely picky!); however, I did want to give those who have not managed to do so a chance to check them before nominations close in ~14.5 hours. In case it's helpful to anyone, this is a step-by-step guide with screenshots to how nominations work in this exchange.
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Just over 24 hours left to nominate

Nominations close at 0755 UTC on Monday 10th, a little over a day from the time of this post. (My schedule for tomorrow has become crowded, so I will be sticking to the exact time.)

Countdown here
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Nominations - queries post #2

I haven't reached the point of clearing all nominations except the ones I have queries about, but I have wrestled it down to the point where I can see everything that's left on the same page, so I'm pausing there for now to put up this post.

I'm relatively less able to get online over the weekend - I will probably do one big push on approving tags at some point over the next couple of days, and then everything else will have to wait until after nominations close on Monday (I have given myself a three-day buffer zone in the schedule for a reason). Please be patient, but do note if you're still mulling noms that 0755 UTC is early on Monday in many time zones, and even potentially Sunday night if you're somewhere like the US West Coast - countdown here.

Missing character tags

The following fandoms are missing one or both of "Any or No Characters (Name of Fandom)" and "Original Character(s) (Name of Fandom)". They will not be approved without both these tags present.

  • Disco Elysium (Video Game)
  • Discworld - Terry Pratchett
  • Dragonriders of Pern - Anne McCaffrey
  • Ever After Academy (Visual Novel)
  • Fate/Grand Order
  • The Elementalists (Visual Novel)
  • The Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula K. Le Guin*
  • Where the Sky is Silver and the Earth is Brass - Sonya Taaffe

*I do appreciate that the two nominated tags "Original Gethenian Characters" and "Original Hainish Characters" cover 99%+ of potential OCs, but I don't see a compelling reason to create an exemption from the general rule.

Specific queries in already-approved fandoms

  • All the Wrong Questions - Lemony Snicket - The Bellerophon Brothers In general, character tags should be for individuals (or "Any" type tags) although I have made exceptions int he past for definite groups within the canon whose members have little or no separate existence from one another; it seems from a bit of wiki-diving that that might be the case here, but it's hard to tell. Some clarification would be appreciated.
  • Team Fortress 2 - WB: Life after the war There seem to be two wars in the timeline, the Gravel War and the Robot War; it seems more likely that the intended one is the Gravel War?


Specific queries in yet-to-be-approved fandoms

  • Motherland: Fort Salem - please check that your tags are in the right categories; the overall number of worldbuilding tags nominated here exceeds the number of "Relationship" slots available so I think some of them must have been nominated in "Character" slots.
  • Pokemon (Main video game series) - Worldbuilding: Sinnoh Legends and/or Johto Rituals (Pokemon MVGS) Are there sufficient similarities between these that the "and/or" makes sense, or would this work better as two different tags?
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Nominations - queries post #1

Here are the things that have arisen in the first day-and-a-bit of sorting through the tag set.

Missing character tags

All fandoms must have the two character tags "Any or No Characters (Name of Fandom)" and "Original Character(s) (Name of Fandom)" nominated in order for them to be approved, in addition to any other characters the nominator is interested in being able to request/offer. The following fandoms currently lack them:

  • Black Jewels - Anne Bishop
  • Dragonriders of Pern - Anne McCaffrey
  • Ever After Academy (Visual Novel)
  • Fate/Grand Order
  • RWBY
  • The Elementalists (Visual Novel)


Disambiguations

Many tags still awaiting approval for other reasons are also missing disambiguations (the name of fandom in parentheses after the tag). I am able to add these as I approve, but it does slow me down significantly (especially if AO3 starts putting drop down menus in my way), so if nominators are able to add them on their end it would be much appreciated.

Crossovers

Crossovers are not on topic for worldbuildingex, unless the crossover exists in canon. If the crossover does exist in canon, or two canons are part of the same universe, please nominate under a fandom tag that encompasses all the relevant source material for worldbuilding that you want to be included. There are currently two worldbuilding tags that talk about crossovers (I suspect from the same nominator?):

  • Star Trek - TV Shows - WB: Crossovers Between Shows Welcome
    the idea that creators might draw on more than one show is already implicit in the fandom tag; perhaps a tag like "Interactions between different crews" would achieve the desired effect?
  • Middle-Earth - J.R.R. Tolkien - WB: Crossovers with Other Tolkien Welcome
    this one I am less clear about; "Middle-Earth" as a fandom tag already encompasses all the different Middle-Earth source material (see also the following section), but if the intention is to encourage crossovers with non-Middle-Earth works like Farmer Giles of Ham then I'm afraid that would not be on topic for worldbuildingex unless a convincing argument can be presented for shared worldbuilding.


Tolkien

Currently nominated Tolkien fandoms are:

  • Middle-earth - J. R. R. Tolkien
  • Middle-Earth - J.R.R. Tolkien
  • The Book of Lost Tales - J. R. R. Tolkien
  • The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien
  • The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien
  • The Silmarillion and other histories of Middle-Earth - J. R. R. Tolkien


I am planning to approve all of these (merging the first two by making the capitalisation and spacing of the initials consistent) but I did just want to ask about the final one - so far, there are four nominators for this fandom, using slightly different disambiguations. Some tags are disambiguated as "Silmarillion" and some as "Silmarillion/HoME" - my instinct is to adjust things so that they're all to "Silmarillion/HoME" on the off-chance someone later comes along and wants to nominate just-the-Silmarillion, but I would be interested from hearing the views of nominators on this.

Specific queries

In these cases, I have approved the fandom overall but have questions about individual tags:


  • The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco - WB: Second Book of Aristotle's Poetics (Name of the Rose)
    As best I can tell, this is a real thing which is now lost and, while it clearly plays a key role in the novel, I'm not sure that this worldbuilding tag doesn't stray into requesting real world research (in this case, trying to reconstruct it), rather than fictional worldbuilding (which is the reason RPF is not on-topic for this exchange) - however, I am open to persuasion on this point. How much fictional(ised) information is given about it within the novel?
  • Granblue Fantasy (Video Game) - WB: Astral Society (Final Fantasy XIV)
    this looks like it's probably a tag that accidentally went in under the wrong fandom, but there seem to be "Astral" things in both games so I'm wondering if it's a mistake in the disambiguation.
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Tag set open for nominations

The tag set is now open for nominations, and will close at 0755 UTC on Monday 10th Jan (amended from original schedule to allow for AO3 issues). Countdown to close of nominations here.

The official guidelines on nominating are here and a detailed guide to nominating for new participants (made in 2021, but there are no changes for this year) can be found here.

Brief reminders:
  • Fandom names should make clear what the scope of the intended source material is*
  • Please disambiguate all character and worldbuilding tags with the name of their fandom in parentheses after them
  • Worldbuilding tags go in the "Relationship" fields with "WB: " at the start - please do not nominate actual A/B, C&D, etc. relationships
  • All fandoms need to have "Original Character(s) (Name of Fandom)", "Any or No Characters (Name of Fandom)" and at least one worldbuilding tag
  • Other types of "Any" tags are allowed in the Character field to specify types of character, e.g. "Any Halfling(s)", "Any Space Marine(s)"
  • AUs (except those which appear within canon, like Star Trek's Mirror Universe) and RPF are outside the scope of the exchange

*A quick note on fandom names for Original Works: the tag set seems to be more manageable for participants when these are split up by subgenre, so please do use fandom tags like "Original Work - Pulp SF" rather than just "Original Work". I will default to approving whatever participants choose to use, even if they seem similar to existing ones in the tag set, rather than try to act as an arbiter of genre boundaries. If, once the tag set starts to take shape, you end up feeling that your nominations could be folded into another category that has been nominated by someone else, let me know and I will do so behind the scenes.

Please feel free to use the comments of this post for queries, to help me understand anything that you think is potentially complicated about your nominations, and for co-ordination between participants to avoid unnecessary duplication.

Finally, please do be patient while waiting for your nominations to be dealt with - it is fairly likely that this year, I will be approving in larger batches but somewhat more infrequently than I have managed in some previous rounds.
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Nominations queries post #3

The tag set is on course to be the largest we've ever had.

Adjustments to tags

I have had to adjust the phrasing of a handful of worldbuilding tags that turned out to have been nominated as characters, not relationships, because AO3 won't allow the exact same tag in more than one category. Hopefully none of them have inadvertently changed the original intent - please do let me know if you think you spot a problem.

Also, in The Goblin Emperor, Any was nominated as a character tag (which AO3 wanted to syn to "Other(s)"!) - I have folded this into the existing "Any or No Characters (The Goblin Emperor)" tag, but if there is actually a character called "Any" in this canon please do let me know.

Remaining queries

I have a relatively small number of queries, either remaining unanswered from previous posts, or related to tags submitted within the last two days. Since this is the last queries post, I will outline what I intend to do in each case if I do not receive a response within 24 hours, at which point I will proceed to general tag set clean up.

  • Doctor Who & Related Fandoms and Star Trek (all media types) - I queried about the scope of these on the last post. Unless I hear back from the nominator that they want a more specific fandom name, I will approve these, with the caveat that I will interpret them in the broadest possible sense. (I will also tweak the Alcubierre drive tag that has been bothering me for what I admit are idiosyncratic reasons.)
  • Harry Potter (Books Only) - WB: dragons understand parseltongue - is there canon evidence for this? as phrased, it seems a little AU-ish. If I don't hear anything on this, I will tweak to phrase it as a question "Can dragons understand parseltongue?"
  • Something Dark and Holy Series - Emily A. Duncan - Onumitsa - I still can't find any evidence for a character with this name. If I don't hear back, I will assume it's just a very obscure one and approve it, but ideally I would like some reassurance that it's not a misspelling.
  • Star Wars Sequel Trilogy - WB: Arkanis Academy - This doesn't seem to appear or be mentioned in the three sequel films. Unless someone provides evidence that it is, I'll reject it from this fandom and move it to "Star Wars - New EU"
  • The Silmarillion - WB: Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth - as far as I can tell this is the title of "the fourth book of Morgoth's Ring"; I'm not really clear how it should be construed as a worldbuilding tag; from what I can tell it is full of ideas relating to Elves and Men but in quite a broad-ranging way. If I don't hear back, I will make my best guess at what the intent is and rephrase, but I would strongly prefer to hear from the nominator (or, failing that, other Tolkien fans).
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Tag set closed

The tag set is now closed to new nominations; as yesterday, my morning starts with a series of online meetings, but once those are over I aim to process the remaining nominations and get a final queries post up. I'll give it 24 hours after that for people to respond, and then proceed to the clean up phase.
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One hour warning for close of nominations

The tag set closes to nominations at 0755 UTC, a little under one hour from the time of this post. Countdown here - my overall schedule for today is such that I will need to close the tag set as soon as this reaches zero, so please make sure you give yourself enough time to submit.
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One day left to nominate

Countdown to close of noms

According to the original schedule, noms would have closed a short while ago - however, I decided to extend it thanks to the AO3 instability on the first day.

Given that the relevant time is 0755 UTC, unless you're in a UTC+quite a bit time zone, or very much a morning person, it's probably best to think of Monday night as the last chance to nominate. (I prefer to stick to UTC for official purposes because then I know I won't get it wrong, but I think the closing time is the same as five minutes to midnight on Monday night, Pacific time.)

Thanks for all the responses to the queries post, by the way - I'm in online meetings for the next few hours but will get to them after that.
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Nominations queries post #2

Incomplete nominations

If your fandom is not listed in any of the more specific categories below, and has been waiting for some time to be approved, then it almost certainly is missing at least one of the following required tags:

  • "Original Character(s)"
  • "Any or No Characters"
  • at least one worldbuilding tag (in the Relationship fields - please note these are not used for actual / or & relationships in worldbuildingex)

Please see here for a detailed explanation of how to nominate for worldbuildingex. Fandoms that still don't have the minimum set of tags when nominations close will be rejected.

(ETA: I've moved the "incomplete nominations" section to the top as a large number of fandoms (far more than in previous years) are still affected by this, and I want it to be front and centre for people who are clicking through from the link on the tag set description. The rest of the queries post as it originally was on Sunday night is below.)

There are currently 252 fandoms in the tag set. Nominations will close at 0755 UTC on Tuesday, approximately 36 hours from the time of this post. (Countdown.)

At the time of writing, all fandoms that I don't have queries about have been approved. Therefore, if you have tags still outstanding you should be able to find the reason below - if you can't (and you didn't submit them just before this post went up), please do ask!


Any [X]

There are a few tags which I have adjusted from a format that seemed to be a group nom to the new "Any" type; if in doing so, I have misinterpreted things, please do let me know and I can change them back. (My original intention was to query first, as I did with Labyrinth (1986)*, but including all of them would have made this post even more unwieldy.)

*I have in fact proceeded with making this change with Labyrinth as well, as the nominator has not responded.

Similar tags in the same fandom

  • Killjoys (TV) - WB: Scarback Religion and WB: Scarback religious beliefs and practices are both nominated and seem to indicate broadly the same things. I will fold them into "Scarback religion, beliefs and practices" unless either of the nominators objects before the close of noms.
  • The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien - the willow man and Old Man Willow are both nominated. Are these the same character?
  • Star Trek: The Next Generation - WB: El-Aurian culture and WB: El-Aurian culture only Guinan remembers were both nominated but have both been removed by the nominator(s?) before I had the chance to query. I am happy to approve both of these separately if the distinction is important - please do let me know.

Fandom scope queries

There are a few fandoms where the overall scope of the canon material intended to be available for extrapolating worldbuilding from is not clear to me, or seems potentially very broad. I am happy to approve these as they are, if the nominators confirm that they believe they are the most appropriate tags.

  • Doctor Who & Related Fandoms - is the intention here only to include official spinoff material, or would it also include the many and varied things over the years that have used elements from Doctor Who without having the official licence? All of the nominated tags seem to relate to the 2005 series and its direct TV spinoffs, so I'm wondering if a slightly more specific fandom tag might help.
  • Homestuck - does this include Hiveswap?
  • Star Trek (all media types) - while not quite as potentially expansive as Doctor Who above, this still seems to cover a very large amount of possible material once all the different novel lines, comics, etc. are taken into account. On the other hand, the nominated tags do seem to be about core parts of Trek's worldbuilding that could be explored in any of those. (FWIW, though, I'm a little dubious about the worldbuilding tag that brings in the idea that the warp drive is definitely an Alcubierre drive, since Alcubierre was inspired by Trek rather than the other way around ...)

AUs(?)

AUs in general are outside the scope of worldbuildingex, unless the AU in question exists within the canon (Xena's Uberverse, Star Trek's Mirror Universe, etc.).

  • Puella Magi Madoka Magika - WB: Magical Girls Are No Longer Secret seems to be phrased as though it might be an AU, though I don't know enough to be sure - from a bit of Wiki-diving, it looks like it might describe the end state of the series? Please clarify.
  • Song for a Dark Queen - Rosemary Sutcliff - WB: Boudicca Wins AU - is this an AU which somehow exists within the story?

Other queries

  • Something Dark and Holy Series - Emily A. Duncan - Onumitsa I have approved the other tags for this fandom as there is plenty of evidence online for them; however, this name seems to get no results at all. Please confirm that it is correctly spelt.
  • Kamen Rider Decade - WB: Hikari Eijiro’s Everything - I'm not quite sure what is meant here? I wondered if an "Everything" was a name for an in-universe device or similar but it appears not. Is the intention something along the lines of "anything/everything about Hikari Eijiro"?
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Tag set progress

I've made some inroads into nominated tags today; please be patient if I still haven't made it to yours. A full queries post will go up around this time tomorrow, at which point I hope to have approved everything that I don't have questions about.

I'll carry on poking at the tag set for a little while longer today, but I did just want to flag up at this stage that I am seeing a fairly large number of fandoms (probably at least a quarter of those remaining unapproved) which, as they stand, will end up being rejected. The minimal set of tags for a fandom to be approved is:

  • "Any or No Characters (Name of Fandom)" (in one of the Character fields)
  • "Original Character(s) (Name of Fandom)" (in another Character field)
  • at least one worldbuilding tag (in the format "WB: [worldbuilding idea] (Name of Fandom)", in one of the Relationship fields)

I'm also seeing a number of tags for what seem to be (or are even stated within the tag as being) AU scenarios. Unless a given AU exists within canon, it is not within the scope of worldbuildingex. If you have nominated such tags, please be proactive in providing evidence for the existence of the AU within canon.

ETA: I've just seen a couple of tags awaiting approval in already approved fandoms disappear, presumably deleted by their nominators. For what it's worth, in the very few instances where I've left tags in this state, it's generally because two different nominators have put in very similar tags and I'm planning to ask on the next queries post whether they can be folded together, not because there's anything "wrong" with them.
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Nominations queries post #1

Nominations are coming in thick and fast, which is very encouraging; it's great to see the range of different ideas out there. I have a busy couple of days coming up IRL; I'll be approving as and when I can but the pace will probably be a little slower than it has been so far. Before that happens, though, I did want to put up the first queries post.

General issues with nominations

A significant minority of fandoms currently awaiting approval do not yet have all of the required tags, and are in danger of being rejected when the nominations period ends if this is not amended. The minimum needed for a fandom to be approved is:
  • "Any or No Characters (Name of Fandom)" as one of the Character fields
  • "Original Character(s) (Name of Fandom)" as another of the Character fields
  • At least one worldbuilding tag ("WB: [some worldbuilding idea] (Name of Fandom)") in the Relationship fields

Of fandoms already in the tag set, "Tron (Movies)" is a good example of a fandom with a minimal set of tags.

There are also a number of fandoms where disambiguations (the "(Name of Fandom)" bits) are missing from some or all of the tags for the fandom. I ask for these disambiguations for two reasons: to try to prevent "migration" of tags within the tag set, but also to allow me to reunite tags that AO3 fails to associate automatically with their fandom (the tag set remembers where they came from for 99%+ of tags, even when they're not canonicals, but the remaining few can be difficult to deal with if it's not clear within the tag itself).

For what it's worth, a fairly large number of fandoms I can see on the approval screen have the characters disambiguated, but not the worldbuilding tags. Please also make sure that if you are nominating a subdivision of a fandom that your disambiguations are specific to that subdivision. (e.g. A disambiguation like "(Star Wars)" does not help me work out which fandom the tag belongs to, should it get lost, when there are many different versions of Star Wars nominated.)

Specific queries

  • Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling - there are a couple of nominations so far for this fandom. In previous rounds, we have avoided using this as it does not necessarily make clear the scope of canon material under consideration. I am happy to approve it if the nominators confirm that they are happy for it to be the most expansive definition, including Pottermore, Cursed Child, etc. However, it may be that other fandom tags are more appropriate ("Harry Potter - Books Only" has already been approved this year and in previous years we've also had things like "Harry Potter - Wizarding World" alongside "Harry Potter - Wizarding World No Pottermore")
  • In the Flesh - WB: Amy + Kieren + Simon hadn't died. What would their lives be like? (In The Flesh) and WB: Amy if she had lived/become human (In the Flesh) seem like tags for AU prompts, which are outside the scope of worldbuildingex. However, I don't know this fandom so if there is a reason why they ought to be considered on topic, please do let me know.
  • Labyrinth (1986) - Both a character tag "Jareth's family", and a worldbuilding tag "WB: Jareth's family", are nominated - please could the nominator explain the distinction here? (I think perhaps this is somewhere where the new "Any" character tags might help - would "Any member(s) of Jareth's family" work for the character tag which could then be requested/offered in conjunction with the worldbuilding tag?)
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Tag set open for nominations

The tag set is now open for nominations, and will close at 0755 UTC on Tuesday 12th Jan (amended from original schedule to allow for AO3 issues). Countdown to close of nominations here.

The official guidelines on nominating are here and a detailed guide to nominating for new participants can be found here.

Brief reminders:
  • Fandom names should make clear what the scope of the intended source material is*
  • Please disambiguate all character and worldbuilding tags
  • Worldbuilding tags go in the "Relationship" fields with "WB: " at the start - please do not nominate actual A/B, C&D, etc. relationships
  • All fandoms need to have "Original Character(s) (Name of Fandom)", "Any or No Characters (Name of Fandom)" and at least one worldbuilding tag
  • Starting with this round, other types of "Any" tags are allowed in the Character field to specify types of character, e.g. "Any Halfling(s)", "Any Space Marine(s)"
  • AUs (except those which appear within canon, like Star Trek's Mirror Universe) and RPF are outside the scope of the exchange

*A quick note on fandom names for Original Works: the tag set seems to be more manageable for participants when these are split up by subgenre, so please do use fandom tags like "Original Work - Pulp SF" rather than just "Original Work". I will default to approving whatever participants choose to use, even if they seem similar to existing ones in the tag set, rather than try to act as an arbiter of genre boundaries. If, once the tag set starts to take shape, you end up feeling that your nominations could be folded into another category that has been nominated by someone else, let me know and I will do so behind the scenes.

Please feel free to use the comments of this post for queries, to help me understand anything that you think is potentially complicated about your nominations, and for co-ordination between participants to avoid unnecessary duplication.
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Nominating for worldbuildingex - step-by-step guide

(Note: this guide is intended for those who have not nominated before. If you have successfully nominated in previous rounds, you do not need to read this.)

Step-by-step instructions with screenshots )
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Bonus Queries Post

I have now cleared through almost all the remaining tags on the approval screen, but not yet got to corrections.

Final final queries

There are two sets of tags that came through in the last few hours of the tag set being open that I do want to quickly ask about; I am aiming to do the very final stages of cleaning up between (very approximately) 1200 and 1800 UTC tomorrow, so please try to respond in the next twelve hours if at all possible (I do realise this may not work particularly well for some, with time zones and so on; apologies).

  • Naruto/Dreaming of Sunshine - The following tags are nominated under the Naruto fandom tag:
    • ANBU Red Team (DoS)
    • Gaara (DoS)
    • Nara Yoshino (DoS)
    • Original Uzumaki Character(s)
    • Toki (DoS)

    From the disambigations, it seems that all but "Original Uzumaki Character(s)" belong under Dreaming of Sunshine (while some DoS character tags have wandered into Naruto, separating them out again is one of my cleanup tasks! apologies if this led to confusion about where DoS characters should be nommed). But should I leave "Original Uzumaki Character(s)" in Naruto proper, or move it as well?

    (If I don't hear back before I start final clean up, I will move them all to DoS.)

  • Dragon Age (Video Games) - the following tags have been nominated:
    • Cullen Rutherford (Dragon Age)
    • WB: Imperial Chantry (Dragon Age)
    • WB: Imperial Templars (Dragon Age)
    • WB: Tevinter Circles (Dragon Age)
    • WB: Tevinter Politics (Dragon Age)

    Given that the default tags are missing, I am inclined to think that this was an attempt to add to the Dragon Age tags already in the tag set; however, these are under "Dragon Age - All Media Types". Please can the nominator confirm?

    (If I don't hear back before I start final clean up, I will move them all to Dragon Age - AMT.)


Original Works subfandoms

I have, with some misgivings, allowed through Original Work - Magical Realism in the end (mostly because I feel responsible for giving encouragement to its nominator that it would be a good tag to use, when on further reflection I probably shouldn't have), but Original Work - Low Fantasy has become Original Work - Real World Setting With Fantastic Elements or "OW - RWSWFE" in the disambigs. Huge apologies for the clunkiness.

Rejected tags

I have rejected Silicon Valley and Veep as, despite them being flagged in every Queries Post throughout the nominations period as having required tags missing, those tags were never added. (If anyone's keeping score, Frontier Wolf got rescued by another nominator at the last minute.)

I have also rejected a few tags that were lingering from fandoms that had behaved very oddly (specifically Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling and Original Work) - it seems that on some occasions when nominators changed a fandom name and I then approved the new one, the ghosts of the previous versions of some of their tags moved into the Already Approved Fandoms section, even when the fandoms were definitely not "already approved". Hopefully it hasn't broken anything but let me know if you encounter any weirdness.
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Nominations now closed

The tag set is no longer accepting new submissions. I will allow a short amnesty period: if you've just hit submit and it wouldn't take, post a comment with your tags here by 2120 UTC and I'll add them manually. ETA: amnesty period over.

I'll work through the final tags, queries, etc. and do some cleaning up I already know is needed over the next day or so, and then be asking for any further corrections in advance of sign ups opening on Friday.
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Nominations Queries Post 3

Tag set | REVISED countdown to close of noms


With a little under a day to go until nominations close, I have (finally!) managed to wrestle the nominations down to just those requiring further attention. That means that if your tags have not been approved yet, and don't appear listed below, then please do ask as it may mean something untoward has occurred. (Exception: if you nominated extremely recently, please wait a little while. I will edit this post if I come across further issues as I work through new tags.)

Since this will be the last queries post, in most cases I will specify what I intend to do if I don't hear anything to the contrary; I will also keep this post updated until nominations close as the final tags come in. (I would guess that if necessary updates will happen at very approximately 0800 UTC, 1300 UTC and 1630 UTC. If you are nominating close to the wire and think your tags may be confusing, please be proactive in providing evidence.)

ETA: new queries since original posting

  • Heartstrikers & DFZ - Rachel Aaron - The Final Future (Heartstrikers & DFZ) I'm 99% sure this is a worldbuilding tag that's missing its "WB: " so will add that at close at noms if I don't hear back, but just in case: if that is the name of a character, please let me know.
  • Star Trek - the tags below have been approved under the umbrella fandom; however, the original nominator for that fandom has requested to have their tags folded into "Star Trek: The Original Series" - is it OK to move these tags at the same time?

    • WB: Kahs-wan (Star Trek)
    • WB: Koon-ut-kal-if-fee (Star Trek)
    • WB: Mind Melds (Star Trek)
    • WB: Pon Farr (Star Trek)
    • WB: Telepathy and the Legal System (Star Trek)

[original post resumes below]

Actions taken after last post

At the request of the original nominator, Men in Black (Movies) has moved to Men in Black (Original Trilogy); if anyone out there did want a more expansive MiB fandom in the tag set, please nominate it.

Original Works

There are two nomination slates' worth of tags still in the main Original Work fandom - when noms close, I will redistribute these to separate subfandoms according to my best guesses (including possibly creating some new subfandoms like "Original Work - Superheroes") unless the nominators beat me to it ...

After considerable research and thought, I have now definitely come to the conclusion that Original Work - Low Fantasy is not guaranteed to be universally understood as meaning the same thing by everyone; in particular, I am worried that people who did not participate in the nominations process may later sign up and request/offer it with quite a different idea in mind. My interpretation of the earlier discussions is that the current nominators intend it to mean "real world setting with some fantastic elements" - I will probably rename it to this (very clunky) tag with some sort of hideous abbreviated disambiguations, unless a) someone comes up with a better suggestion for an unambiguous name, or b) the nominators adjust it themselves to an unambiguous tag of their choosing. (Doesn't necessarily have to be the same tag for each nominator!) Following my further investigations, I'm also not 100% convinced that Original Work - Magical Realism, which I encouraged one nominator to go for if they felt it was appropriate, has a universally-understood meaning either, especially when its definition within literary fiction is considered. So I think that may need to be changed as well, sorry.

Fandoms at risk of being rejected when nominations close

NB you do not have to be the original nominator to rescue these fandoms! If you have spare slots you can add the tags required. (ETA: many thanks to those who are doing this ...)

Fandoms without the two "default" character tags ("Any or No Characters" and "Original Character(s)"):

  • Deadly Class (TV)
  • Frontier Wolf - Rosemary Sutcliff
  • IT (Movies - Muschetti) [see also "specific queries" below]
  • Mass Effect: Andromeda
  • Original Work - Fantasy/Sci-Fi [still waiting to be approved as I need to work out how to make the disambiguations consistent]
  • Silicon Valley (TV) [see also "specific queries" below]
  • Star Trek: Voyager
  • Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
  • Veep (TV) [see also "specific queries" below]

And one fandom has character tags but no worldbuilding tags:

  • The Sixth World - Rebecca Roanhorse

If the intention here is to request any and all worldbuilding, I'm afraid we do need at least one tag to match on; this could be very broadly defined (though not quite as broad as "any worldbuilding"!).

Specific queries (alphabetical by fandom)

  • The Godwhale (TJ Bass) - the tags contain both Nebishes and WB: Nebbish culture and society - which spelling is correct? Also, is "Nebishes" a group nom that would be better as "Original Neb[b?]ish Character(s)"? Finally, since this seems to be a book when I approve this I will be changing the fandom name to "The Godwhale - T. J. Bass" in line with AO3 style for Books & Literature fandoms. [this fandom is now waiting to bubble up to the top of the Already Approved list, I will get to approving the tags under it when it appears]
  • 镇魂 | Guardian (TV) - I've approved all of the following four tags but looking at them, I suspect that they're actually effectively duplicates:

    • Shen Wei (镇魂 | Guardian (TV))
    • Shěn Wēi (镇魂 | Guardian (TV))
    • Yè Zūn (镇魂 | Guardian (TV))
    • Ye Zun (镇魂 | Guardian (TV))

    (each tag listed above was nominated twice). Please can someone clarify? (Three other characters are nommed as Da Qing, Li Qian and Zhao Yunlan, so advice on consistency also appreciated.)
    [resolved, will be dealt with at clean up stage]
  • Haitaka no Psychedelica & Kokuchou no Psychedelica (Visual Novels) - I changed the two slightly nonstandard tags under this to "Any or No" and "Original" with the (Haitaka no Psychedelia) dismabiguation that other nominated tags had; however, I do wonder if the intent of the original nomination was to create two subfandoms within a larger umbrella. If this is desired, please let me know and we can see about splitting it into two different fandoms in the tag set, which would be the better way to handle that.
  • Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling - I intend to move the tags nominated under this tag to "Harry Potter - Books 1-7" unless the nominator instructs me otherwise, or moves them themselves.
  • The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien - I have approved the tags under this, except for the two group nominations highlighted in the previous post, which have now been rejected.
  • Infinity Train (Cartoon) - I have approved the tags for this, except "Any Reflection(s)" which was highlighted in the previous post and has now been rejected
  • IT (Movies - Muschetti) - "The Losers Club" seems to be a group tag; I will approve the rest without this, assuming that the missing tags appear (see list above)
  • Power Rangers and Power Rangers (TV) - just checking my understanding of scope here. I am assuming that "Power Rangers" is everything that has ever been put out under the Power Rangers imprimatur, while "Power Rangers (TV)" is (slightly more) restricted to be the twenty-something series there have been by now. If this is not the intent, please let me know.
  • Silicon Valley (TV) and Veep (TV) - in addition to the issues of missing character tags, at least some of the nominated worldbuilding tags for these look like AU "what if?" prompts, which are not within the scope of this exchange. Please could the nominator clarify? If there are no valid worldbuilding tags at close of noms, these fandoms will be rejected. (Without further input, I freely admit that I will be guessing based off wiki-diving as I don't know either of these fandoms.)
  • A Song of Ice and Fire - George R. R. Martin - I've approved all tags except WB: Women Who Don't Marry By Choice (ASOIAF), which I'm slightly worried could be interpreted in two diametrically opposed ways - is the intention "Women who choose not to marry" or "Women who have no choice about getting married"?

Thanks very much for your patience during the nominations process, and to everyone who has responded either by providing further information or adjusting their nominations.
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Nominations Queries Post 2

Tag set | REVISED countdown to close of noms


Again, I haven't managed to clear through all tags but I have a sufficiently large number of queries to make this worthwhile. As previously, there may be tags I have not yet seen which I should also be querying - please continue to watch the comm, but if you think that your tags may be affected by an issue raised here, even if they aren't listed, do feel free to ask.

Change to closing time for nominations

An event which I have to attend, and that I had scheduled around, has been brought forward to this Wednesday, with the effect that I now won't be online to close noms at 1655 UTC. As a result, I've put back the time I'm going to do this to 2055 UTC on Wednesday, so you have an extra four hours to nominate - please note that times for other phases of the exchange are not affected, and will continue to be 1655 UTC.

Fandom scope

I have approved both of the following but just want to check that my understanding of the scope matches that of the nominators:

  • Doctor Who & Related Fandoms - this is potentially very broad in scope given the number of spin-offs in various media (and spin-offs of spin-offs) which there have been over the years.
  • Men in Black Movies - the nominated tags for this all seem to relate to the Will Smith films, but I would take the tag to include Men in Black: International as well.

No need to comment if you don't want changes, but the tags can be moved to more specific fandom tags if you would prefer - let me know.

I have not approved "Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling", and (barring a sudden outbreak of consensus in HP fandom about the status of later works) am unlikely to do so as I do think different people have different perceptions of the scope of the tag. Please could the nominator let me know what the intended scope is, so that we can find an appropriate tag to use? (For what it's worth, the nominated tags are Original Black Family Character(s), Original Lovegood Character(s), Original Patil Character(s), Original Potter Family Character(s), WB: Grindelwald's War, WB: Spells Research and Development, WB: Wizarding Family Histories, WB: Wizarding Higher Education.)

I have begun approving Original Work nominations. Following the discussion in previous posts, I will not be approving the umbrella "Original Work" tag; please adjust your nominations to put them into specific genres (eg so far we have "Original Work - Omegaverse", "Original Work - Urban Fantasy", etc.). Any tags that remain in "Original Work" at the end of noms will be assigned to a subfandom at my discretion.

I am also still holding off on "Original Work - Low Fantasy" as, following some further research, I have become convinced that the term has quite distinct meanings in different fannish subcultures, and therefore there is quite a high risk of a mismatch between requests and offers.

Group/"Any [X]" nominations

Beyond the "default" tags, nominations should be for specific canon characters, or types of original characters. Very rarely a group that is always a group in canon may be allowed where appropriate in context (e.g. where a hive mind occupies multiple bodies). In general, though, groups or ships involving differentiated characters (e.g. "The Avengers", "Steve Rogers/Tony Stark") and "Any [type of character that could be canon or original]" nominations are not accepted; however, I can definitely see how confusion may have arisen here, so apologies for that. (I do not intend to make any changes for this round, but I have already made a note for when I ask for feedback at the end of the exchange about whether people would like to use the Character field more expansively in future; it seems that some participants may well want to do so.)

The following tags will not be approved, please amend them:

  • Animal Crossing - Villager Character of Your Choice (Animal Crossing)
  • The Hobbit - JRR Tolkien - Mirkwood Elves, Thorin's Company (I could just possibly be persuaded on "Mirkwood Elves"?)
  • Infinity Train - Any Reflection(s)
  • Star Wars - New EU - I amended Naboo Handmaiden(s) to Original Naboo Handmaiden(s); if you want canon handmaidens such as Cordé and Sabé please nominate them separately


Specifc queries

  • Hidden Legacy Series - Ilona Andrews - the worldbuilding tags for this fandom are all disambiguated "(Hive Mind)" - I assume this is just a typo and I can amend it to "(Hidden Legacy)"?
  • Killjoys (TV) - The Greenspace (Killjoys (TV)) - is this a character or worldbuilding tag? If the latter please add "WB: " at the beginning.


Fandoms which need tags adding

The following seem to be missing one or both of "Any or No Characters" and "Original Character(s)":

  • Frontier Wolf - Rosemary Sutcliff
  • Mass Effect Trilogy
  • Silicon Valley (TV)
  • Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy
  • Stargate: Atlantis, SG-1, and Universe
  • Veep (TV)
  • The Worst Witch (TV 2017)

(NB I am also concerned that the worldbuilding tags for Veep and Silicon Valley seem to be AU prompts rather than elements of canon worldbuilding. Please clarify.)

The Sixth World - Rebecca Roanhorse has the default character tags, but no worldbuilding tags - please add at least one.